tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post3929207708838958151..comments2024-03-28T09:16:33.241+00:00Comments on Diary of a Benefit Scrounger: Civil Liberties? Not if you're BlackSue Marshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14849801822216267250noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-91101474312872432262010-10-17T16:04:38.408+01:002010-10-17T16:04:38.408+01:00@Pam/Sue.........Ever heard of paralysis by analys...@Pam/Sue.........Ever heard of paralysis by analysis ? :-)KENhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14161100235389055056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-76274110068021243072010-10-17T11:18:04.741+01:002010-10-17T11:18:04.741+01:00Ken, doesn't seem to be just us "politica...Ken, doesn't seem to be just us "politically motivated commentators:<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/17/stop-and-search-race-figures?CMP=twt_guSue Marshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14849801822216267250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-35841243602696080112010-10-17T08:35:25.975+01:002010-10-17T08:35:25.975+01:00Ken, why can a law justify treating one group of i...Ken, why can a law justify treating one group of individuals differently because of their race?Pamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15273512192400237563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-45093430419828857032010-10-17T00:47:55.199+01:002010-10-17T00:47:55.199+01:00Hi Sue...........We are baby-sitting the grand-kid...Hi Sue...........We are baby-sitting the grand-kids tonight, the kids are out partying.<br />We must be careful not to stereotype young Asian and black males as victims, I don't see them as such, they do need help........but I do think there is too much advice, well intentioned but mis-guided, based on flawed assumptions. You say there are thousands and thousands of Asian and black youngsters feeling harassed and victimised by stop and search........That might seem to be the case, but in my experience it simply isn't. The young people that I deal with have records that would shock most people, but I find that what they need most is a foot in the door of conventional society, and then they adapt quickly, they are very smart and progress rapidly. They take stop and search in their stride, and accept it as a positive if it prevents heartbreak in their community. The generally politically motivated commentators providing fuel for the fire don't understand the damage they are doing propagating a flawed perception.KENhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14161100235389055056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-47442890231630352272010-10-16T20:26:37.488+01:002010-10-16T20:26:37.488+01:00This government surpasses worst expectations, how ...This government surpasses worst expectations, how can the Libe dems go along with this???Pamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15273512192400237563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-25248210213136997202010-10-16T20:10:51.117+01:002010-10-16T20:10:51.117+01:00Ken - This aint UKPR my dear!
Don't expect me...Ken - This aint UKPR my dear!<br /><br />Don't expect me to be non-partisan, it was agony, lol.<br />I will always try to be fair and polite though (check out the post on cutting pension tax relief)<br /><br />Pam - You couldn't make it up could you?Sue Marshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14849801822216267250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-18977060401488586072010-10-16T20:08:36.731+01:002010-10-16T20:08:36.731+01:00Speechless..Speechless..Pamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15273512192400237563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-75519398283095964112010-10-16T20:08:23.884+01:002010-10-16T20:08:23.884+01:00Ken - Your experience makes me feel better, but th...Ken - Your experience makes me feel better, but there are thousands and thousands of young black and Asian people who feel victimised and harassed by stop and search - very few young white men have the same problem. <br />I fear this just makes things worse. <br />After all, why stop stop and search if you don't mean to do it for everyone?Sue Marshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14849801822216267250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-88604008693990744252010-10-16T18:27:31.230+01:002010-10-16T18:27:31.230+01:00The lack of accountability in ceasing to record st...The lack of accountability in ceasing to record stop and searches is a big concern. They'll present it as cutting red tape.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15189791841407175219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-41229525889785383772010-10-16T18:13:25.319+01:002010-10-16T18:13:25.319+01:00@Sue........On stop and search, I live in an area ...@Sue........On stop and search, I live in an area where there is a high level of, 'black on black' violence and gun crime, hence the introduction of 'Operation Trident' which focuses purely on that demographic. I work, part time,with BME groups, when I speak to the relatives of mostly young, black males, they are always supportive of targeted stop and search because it reduces the number of weapons carried and it is a deterrent, the only one available, at the moment. It isn't racist because black people have asked for it, it cuts down the possible tragic consequences of young black guys carrying weapons with impunity, makes sense to me and the local population, but not to you.KENhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14161100235389055056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-52769787985886002132010-10-16T17:37:44.788+01:002010-10-16T17:37:44.788+01:00@Sue........Anthony would have moderated that, and...@Sue........Anthony would have moderated that, and of course, your's is a very subjective view, no problem there, I was always being snipped or moderated on UKPR but that's because I too took a view, you can't always be reasonable, it's boring. Anyway, needless to say I think you're safe and there is no need to be frightened......the cup is half full from here. :-)KENhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14161100235389055056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-41380621638065541992010-10-16T16:28:52.864+01:002010-10-16T16:28:52.864+01:00See, this is my problem Julian. I said in my final...See, this is my problem Julian. I said in my final post on UKPR that I actually missed Maggie!! At least she was measured, intelligent and would never, ever allow a policy announcement full of holes. <br />In ever single area, the coalition seem to be releasing ill thought out policies and the worst of it is that they tell the public one thing and do something quite different. <br />The "re-organisation" of the NHS, taking money from failing schools to give to successful ones, but calling them "free schools" Social cleansing but calling it a "housing benefit cap" the list just goes on and on.<br />I am actually frightened. <br />Combine the ideological zeal of Osborne with the speed they are moving and the lack of consideration in their plans and I dread to think what will happen by 2015 - that's without the very good chance that they'll ruin the economy along the way.Sue Marshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14849801822216267250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-49692990273563186072010-10-16T13:35:13.636+01:002010-10-16T13:35:13.636+01:00So this government is announcing a bill to end sto...So this government is announcing a bill to end stop and search powers for the police which will actually increase them?<br />Sometimes I think the old Thatcherites were better. At least she would have openly admitted what she was doing.<br />I hate hypocrites above anything else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-73175157945158616472010-10-16T12:00:14.741+01:002010-10-16T12:00:14.741+01:00:( :( :(:( :( :(Sue Marshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14849801822216267250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-45863902082144862712010-10-16T11:54:32.051+01:002010-10-16T11:54:32.051+01:00Sue,
yes I agree. A reincarnation of Brixton '...Sue,<br /><br />yes I agree. A reincarnation of Brixton '83. Maggie's Army returns.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08811850293408614488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-226528536244701172010-10-16T11:25:14.605+01:002010-10-16T11:25:14.605+01:00Isn't it astounding? I was truly shocked when ...Isn't it astounding? I was truly shocked when I read it, and even wonder if it can be legal under Human Rights legislation or EU law.<br />Talk about a backward step. I know the police will do it anyway, but legislating for it can only make things worse, surely?Sue Marshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14849801822216267250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4568034298343558962.post-19391902987202279462010-10-16T11:08:10.788+01:002010-10-16T11:08:10.788+01:00sue,
I did not know that and it is shocking. In N...sue,<br /><br />I did not know that and it is shocking. In Northenr Ireland the police have always had these powers. I grew up with them being practised on a daily basis. I have been frisked more times than a remand prisoner returning from a trial..<br /><br />The thing is that the police will always excercise these powers regardless if it is legal or not. and they get away with it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08811850293408614488noreply@blogger.com